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THE DEATH OF JESUS AS INDICATED THAT IT OCCURRED FROM THE GOSPELS AND THE QURAN.
Introduction to his demise there in India some.
The death of Jesus is documented in lore from the Indian subcontinent dating back approximately 2000 years. In the Indian subcontinent in the province of Kashmir there is a grave site and tomb marking the site of burial of a prophet-like saint by the name of Yuz Asaf who died there approximately at the time that he migrated from Palestine around 35 A.D. After his migration from Palestine he taught and preached in Afghanistan and Northern India to the lost tribes of the Jews. It is clear that after capture by Nebuchadnezzar they were released by Cyrus and his son Darius that some of them wish to remain aloof from the Judean culture that caused them dismay and hardship under foreign rule that Nebuchadnezzar imposed on them. It is here that Jesus migrated and it is mentioned in the Quran that he will live to an advanced age. It is mentioned in the sayings of Prophet Mohammed that he would live to twice his age which would be around 100 years. It is also mentioned in the Quran that both he and his mother would seek refuge in a land where there were meadows and springs of water, which fits the description of Kashmir in Northern India.
The post here is genuine in that the Quran says he will live a long life.
I will tabulate some of the post regarding this topic here and show how we understand his death to be in Kashmir from our sources. I will also give ancillary evidence from the Bible, the gospels in particular. The following verses are from the Quran indicating he lived to an old age and found refuge in the valleys of the Himalayan mountain range. Omar.
Chapter three or Amran
3:46 And he will speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and (he will be) one of the good ones.
Chapter 23 or Believers
23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, and We gave them refuge on a lofty ground having meadows and springs.
It is clear from these verses that Jesus survived the crucifixion process and lived to an old age. It is also clear from the inscriptions of the Bible that he bled when his side was pierced by the soldiers immediately before he was taken down from the crucifix. Unlike the two insurgents who were crucified that day his legs were not shattered to cause death by internal hemorrhage. As he bled it is clear that his heart was still pumping as a person whose heart has stopped pumping only shows congealed blood when his skin is pierced with an object such as a lance. It is clear from this data that Jesus did not die on the crucifix but only passed out, which is a form of death in the Muslim lore of the Quran. It is further evinced that after two days he emerged after regaining his strength. When he saw Mary Magdalene he was disguised as a gardener and had to identify himself to her since she could not recognize him. It was obvious he wished to hide himself from his Jewish perpetrators of violence and after staying awhile he left Palestine to preach to the lost tribes of the Jewish nation of Bani-Israel.
Please see his death was fictional as his prayers were accepted that night of Gethsemane.
Please see the following post from Facebook where it states clearly that Jesus was successful there in prayer services he had though God wanted him to take the cup and fulfill Isaiah’s prophecy of him.
The following is a brief post about the prayer that was accepted before the crucifixion process when he prayed in the garden of Gethsemane. I have tried to indicate that it was God’s plan to let him survive the process as seen in the Quran literature on us and though Isaiah says it it is supposedly fictional that report so I don’t use that literature they use. There seems to be a discrepancy in some of the usage of the term death in the scriptures but it is clear the word in Hebrew means both a sleep state as well as physical death.
Please know the Jesus was pleased with result and he knew his role as Messiah was established with the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old Testament scriptures. In this we have peace as he became known as the Messiah in the Christian world, as well as Islam, when the Quran testified he was the Messiah as well. It was by self-sacrifice of himself that he rose in the eyes of people as they realized what a great emissary he was and he was innocent and not guilty by verdict of the people, then his literature prevailed there otherwise he would have been forgotten, and with his crucifixion the people became sympathetic to him and started following his teach there. If he hadn’t been crucified and had left them he would not have become popular as he did, unfortunately his death was factual not and this caused the Christian religion to deviate and Paul did the rest by saying things like atonement occurred to bring them to Islam, the Gentiles to them, and the disciples took advantage of this as well even though Jesus had warned them not to teach them, the Gentiles, as they would alter facts about him and that’s what occurred and they called him God and son of His Grace and so forth modern day Christianity emerged there from Paul’s and some of the disciples say on him who is Jesus there.
Please know the days of flesh were just before he was crucified. In the garden of Gethsemane he was fervent in his desire to live and his prayer was accepted that night as indicated in this section from Hebrews. Though he was resigned to his fate he knew the cup would be one that he could accept as it did not create his death. He was surprised when he was crucified and uttered the words of reproach to his Creator however God had a plan for him which would fulfill His promise to him and also fulfill the scriptures regarding the apparent death of the Messiah and his being raised on the third day. Please see it was obvious he was going to be arrested and he couldn’t prevent that but it is so God had a plan that he would elevate his rank to them through this process of crucifixion they had on him and they were tired of his harangue that they were bad and now wanted him dead and so forth they killed him in intent, as the Quran says there.
In this there is clarity that it was through his apparent death man would forsake him who caused this death threat of innocents by them as it was commonplace in that any dissension would be followed by killing of them and so it occurred they were looked down upon who were council there for doing this manipulation that they lied about him saying he was a blasphemer so forth a new nation would arise and teach with mercy principles he had and Islam would result eventually when I came says I Muhammad, though you dithered and kept quiet about it, Quranic injunctions here, and told him and her, your child there, he is liar who is me of the Quran author to you and eventually succumbed to me through Omar’s page when I appeared there in spirit and so forth results you now know what liars they are in church quarters on you. Omar.
Gospels of Hebrew 5.
7 In the days of his flesh Jesus offered up prayers and supplications with loud cries and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.
8 Although he was a son he learned obedience through what he suffered.
The trial of Jesus elucidates that he was a victim of false testimony and pre-decided verdict of guilt.
The trial of Jesus permitted him to give his testimony. He reiterated he was the son of God in the sense of the metaphor as he had explained this carefully to them in the past.
This is my post from Facebook where I elaborate on his trial.
Please know this is a matter that concerns others that he stated he was the son of God before he was crucified. He did not deny his teachings as that would not have been worthy of a Prophet however he had made it clear that it was in the sense of a metaphor when he denied that he meant it in the actual sense when he was questioned about it before they planned to stone him. In this we are sane as it appears that when you have made your position clear it is futile to argue the point any further as the decision will not change no matter what you do.
Please realize that Jesus did not testify to his own guilt. As Caiaphas had already decided the matter Jesus was not wont to testify or answer questions. He indicated that he was not guilty and they could not bring any witnesses indicating that he had been guilty of the crime of polytheism which was one of the blasphemy charges against him.
Please know when he stated he was the son of God he had previously made it clear it was a metaphor. He reiterated he was the son of God there but as I have stated here it was in the metaphorical sense of being their leader in the discourse of religion or in the sense of being the best amongst them.
Please know that Caiaphas took him to Pilate on the request that he be tried for treason as he did not have any witnesses that he committed blasphemy.
Please know they did not have a case against him and Pilate himself found him not guilty of the crime of treason so they reverted back to the charge they initially captured him on. Omar.
John 18
12 Then the detachment of soldiers with its commander and the Jewish officials arrested Jesus. They bound him
13 and brought him first to Annas, who was the father-in-law of Caiaphas, the high priest that year.
14 Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jewish leaders that it would be good if one man died for the people.
15 Simon Peter and another disciple were following Jesus. Because this disciple was known to the high priest he went with Jesus into the high priest’s courtyard,
16 but Peter had to wait outside at the door. The other disciple, who was known to the high priest, came back, spoke to the servant girl on duty there and brought Peter in.
17 “You aren’t one of this man’s disciples too, are you?” she asked Peter. He replied, “I am not.”
18 It was cold, and the servants and officials stood around a fire they had made to keep warm. Peter also was standing with them, warming himself.
19 Meanwhile, the high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and his teaching.
20 “I have spoken openly to the world” Jesus replied. “I always taught in synagogues or at the temple where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.
21 Why question me? Ask those who heard me. Surely they know what I said.”
22 When Jesus said this one of the officials nearby slapped him in the face. “Is this the way you answer the high priest?” he demanded.
23 “If I said something wrong,” Jesus replied, “testify as to what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth why did you strike me?”
24 Then Annas sent him bound to Caiaphas the high priest.
25 Meanwhile, Simon Peter was still standing there warming himself. So they asked him “You aren’t one of his disciples too, are you?” He denied it, saying “I am not.”
26 One of the high priest’s servants, a relative of the man whose ear Peter had cut off, challenged him “Didn’t I see you with him in the garden?”
27 Again Peter denied it, and at that moment a rooster began to crow.
28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.
29 So Pilate came out to them and asked “What charges are you bringing against this man?”
30 “If he were not a criminal,” they replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”
31 Pilate said “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected.
32 This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.
39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”
40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.
Please see the notes of Muhammad Ali regarding his crucifixion process.
Please see this verse from the Quran that Jesus was not killed on the cross but rather survived it.
Please know these verses are from Nisa from the Quran.
Please know the explanation from Maulana Muhammad Ali is enclosed but I will make a few additional points in this regard.
Please know Jesus was innocent and an innocent man is not accursed, so he would not be hanged as was seen here.
Please know that the two men who were hanged with Jesus were guilty.
Please know it is clear that the explanation of Muhammad Ali is adequate to explain that the death of Jesus did not occur then.
Please see Nisa.
4:155 Then for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the messages of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying, Our hearts are covered; nay, Allah has sealed them owing to their disbelief, so they believe not but a little:
4:156 And for their disbelief and for their uttering against Mary a grievous calumny:
4:157 And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such. And certainly those who differ therein are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge about it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for certain:
Notes 4:157. The words ma salabu-hu do not negative Jesus’ being nailed to the cross; they negative his having expired on the cross as a result of being nailed to it. Salb is a well-known way of killing. Salaba-hu means he put him to death in a certain well-known manner (Lane’s lexicon). That Jesus died a natural death is plainly stated in 5:117: “and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wast the Watcher over them”. The gospels contain clear testimony showing that Jesus Christ escaped death on the cross. The following points may be noted: (1) Jesus remained on the cross for a few hours only (Mark 15:25; John 19:14) but death by crucifixion was always tardy. (2) The two men crucified with Jesus were still alive when taken down from the cross; the presumption is that Jesus too was alive. (3) The breaking of legs was resorted to in the case of the two criminals but dispensed with in the case of Jesus (John 19:32, 33). (4) The side of Jesus being pierced, blood rushed out and this was a certain sign of life. (5) Even Pilate did not believe that Jesus actually died in so short a time (Mark 15:44). (6) Jesus was not buried like the two criminals, but was given into the charge of a wealthy disciple of his, who lavished care on him and put him in a spacious tomb hewn in the side of a rock according to Mark 15:46. (7) When the tomb was seen on the third day, the stone was found to have been removed from its mouth (Mark 16:4), which would not have been the case if there had been a supernatural rising. Mary, when she saw him, took him for the gardener (John 20:15), which shows that Jesus had disguised himself as a gardener. (9) Such disguise would not have been needed if Jesus had risen from the dead. (10) It was in the same body of flesh that the disciples saw Jesus, and the wounds were still there deep enough for a man to thrust his hand in (John 20:25–28). (11) He still felt hunger and ate as his disciples ate (Luke 24:39–43). (12) Jesus Christ undertook a journey to Galilee with two of his disciples walking side by side with him (Matt. 28:10), which shows that he was fleeing for refuge; a journey to Galilee was not necessary to rise to heaven. (13) In all post-crucifixion appearances Jesus is found hiding himself as if he feared being discovered. (14) Jesus Christ prayed the whole night before his arrest to be saved from the accursed death on the cross, and he also asked his disciples to pray for him; the prayers of a righteous man in distress and affliction are always accepted. He seems to have even received a promise from God to be saved, and it was to this promise that he referred when he cried out on the cross: “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” Heb. 5:7 makes the matter still more clear, for there it is plainly stated that the prayer of Jesus was accepted: “When he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.”
The statements made in the Qur’an corroborate the above statements quoted from the gospels. Jesus did not die on the cross, nor was he killed as were the two thieves, but to the Jews he appeared as if he were dead.
Notes 4:157. The words shubbiha la-hum may bear two interpretations: he was made to be like (it) or to resemble (it); or the matter was made dubious or obscure (Lane’s lexicon). The Ruh al-Ma‘ani says the meaning may be that the matter became dubious to them. The story that someone else was made to resemble Jesus is not borne out by the words of the Qur’an, which could only mean, if an object were mentioned, that Jesus was made to resemble someone, not that someone was made to resemble Jesus.
Please see I differ from Mark that he was placed in the tomb as I say he was given refuge there in the jungle around his house for two days and the tomb was used as a refuge not but ruse to make them think he had died by Joseph of Arimathea and there his wounds were tended to. I say this from revelation so you can accept it if you wish but you know me truthful generally and I have never been known to lie in religious discourse so most accept me as a teacher there who teaches from Allah these facts that I do and now you know the events just rest assured he did not die and as the Quran says they killed him not for sure.
Omar.
The crucifixion process of Christ as tabulated there.
The crucifixion process indicates that Jesus was alive when he was brought down from the crucifix. In this way we know that he was saved by the agencies of people who wished him well. It appears that Pilate was active in saving him as indicated when the guards dispelled with the breaking of his bones. It appears that the dream that was seen by Pilate’s wife before the crucifixion process also influenced him. I will allow the reader to surmise if there is a basis to doubt this event of him being saved from some contradictory scripture. I am confident they will not have an argument against our views here.
Please know these are things that I have brought to you today based on your own sources.
Please know the Gospel of John is accurate in that when it states the body of Christ was pierced blood and water flowed indicating the heart was beating. In the other gospels there is no mention of this event therefore the testifier has attested to the fact that this occurred signifying the importance of the event of blood flowing when the skin was impaled on his side. In this we are sane that it was only because of this testimony that it is realized that our savior was known to have lived through the crucifixion process and as his legs were not broken as it was apparent that Pilate did not want his death on his hands and instructed Joseph of Arimathea to take the wounded body for the purported claim of burial. It is clear that if it had been known he was alive he would have had to kill him like he had to crucify him before. I am sane that the guards dispelled with breaking his bones as well on instructions from him. It was obvious to Mary that he was disguised on the Sunday she saw him after the purported burial so that he would not be captured again. It is clear if he had been resurrected he would not have had this fear of capture as a resurrected individual cannot be killed as one can suffer only one death in life. It is here we differ from them who consider his death actual rather than purported as we have described here.
Gospel of John.
31 Now it was the day of Preparation and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”
Please see John says the soldier pierced his side and blood flowed but it was actually Pilate who himself came to supervise his escape as he was sure he was innocent and they were lying he had committed blasphemy and it so occurred he was brought down and sent there for refuge and was asked to leave the vicinity but Jesus had it in his mind to stay and let disciples know he was living in order to celebrate his victory so he stayed with them but the Bani-Israel injured him again as they found out he was alive and then he left. He left with Mary and several of his disciples including Thomas and then Mary, his mother, joined him there in Egypt as well, then they escaped to the Northern route not but to the mountains where they reside, the Bani-Israel tribes who left Judea to them who returned after Cyrus and Darius freed them. It was clear his life was at threat there so he had to leave and they the disciples saw fit to malinger his death and resurrection to them who remained in order to magnify him and fill the script of the Old Testament but that was flawed and only meant stupor there as the word is the same in Hebrew so it came about, atonement story there, by Paul and others in order to bring the Gentiles to faith. Omar.
Please see the crucifixion process continued here.
Please see the following passage from John where it states that he bled before he was brought down.
Please know my post accompanies the passage where the words blood and water indicate that he bled.
Please know this is the crucifixion scene as witnessed by John, the apostle.
Please know he was there to witness the scene,
Please know this,
Please know they saw he was in a stupor and checked.
Please know the term blood and water means it flowed in Hebrew,
Please know you can check a dictionary.
Please know he was in a stupor and his legs were not shattered as was asked by the Pharisees and Sadducees,
Please know our Prophet told me they led him away after they brought him down,
Please know he walked,
Please understand Pilate,
Please know he was ruthless but his wife asked him to intervene,
Please know he allowed a cover up,
Please know his companions arranged for him to be in disguise from them. Omar.
Please see this extract from a Hebrew dictionary.
Please see the meaning of blood and water.
Please know this is from a Hebrew dictionary.
Please understand this is what is meant when the spear pierced the side of Jesus,
Please know our Prophet knew of this term,
Please know he remained quiet about it.
Please know the lance pierced the side of Jesus.
Please know blood and water flowed,
Please know this term is used for flowing.
Please understand our Prophet knows you can research for yourself and encourages you to do so. Omar.
Definition of blood and water from a Hebrew dictionary here:
The pictograph ד is a door representing the idea of moving back and forth. The מ is a picture of water and can represent any liquid especially blood. Combined these pictures mean “the moving back and forth of water” or the “flowing of blood”.
The concept of death and the idea of resurrection was a later extrapolation by scholars.
In a post on Facebook I made it clear that the death of Christ was not as indicated by later scholars. It was primarily Paul and then later Ignatus who espoused his death to be in the actual sense rather than in the spiritual sense as understood by us in Ahmadiyyat. Your son in repose understands that in both the Arabic language and in the tongue spoken there that the state of sleep is considered by be a form of death. It is in this context that the state of death is said to occur by the follower who knew he was alive after he passed out. Your son indicates it is the metaphor and it is actually the spiritual state of sleep when the soul departs from him to be with the Creator as indicated in Chapter Zumar indicated below, where the soul travels there to Him when we are asleep and it is coined as death in Arabic vernacular. The concept of atonement in the Christian church is incoherent and was used by Paul and Ignatus to further their cause of bringing the word of Jesus to the pagans who liked the idea that they would not be judged for their wrongdoings or sins.
The post below indicates that in the vernacular of the Quran and Jewish literature the word for death is used synonymously with sleep or the unconscious state thereby indicating the death of Jesus was a misnomer applied there for a purpose of preventing a similar catastrophe from occurring once more.
Please see this verse from the chapter of the Quran where the state of sleep is akin to death in that the soul departs from the body and travels there to Him. I will elucidate this to indicate when the follower of Jesus described his sleep-like state after he passed out on the cross he indicated the word death, as the vernacular is used in that sense there in the Jewish literature as well as the current day Arabic concept of sleep to be death. I know this is a derivation we understand to be correct and it was later scholars who changed the concept from passing out, as indicated here, to actual death; something that was not intended by the early use of the word by his follower. Omar.
Quran Zumar.
39:42 Allah takes (men’s) souls at the time of their death, and those that die not, during their sleep. Then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term. Surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.
The derivation of the word Tawaffa or death in the Quran.
In the Quran we see the word tawaffa or death written in such a way that it connotes death or sleep. There it is clear that the verse of Al-Imran means death in way that is obvious for it is known he died there in Kashmir and so forth results.
Please see the word tawaffa also means to requite but it is so in the context here it means death in a way known.
This post has been altered here as it makes sense to some but not all. The word mutawaffa in the Quran also means sleep but it is true there is a second meaning which is maut and that is the connotation here. Please know maut in Arabic means death though it can also connote the unconscious state which is a form of sleep. Henceforth we will call it death.
Chapter three or The Family of Amran
3:55 When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, so I shall decide between you concerning that wherein you differ.
Chapter five or Maida.
5:117 I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: Serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord; and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wast the Watcher over them. And Thou art Witness of all things.
Summary of views regarding his death in Islam we serve as sane for you.
The views in Islam regarding his death are diverse. In Islam the traditional viewpoint is based upon weak hadith sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammad that cannot be verified as being correct. In this way a misconception arose that he was lifted bodily to heaven just like in the Christian lore but that he never underwent the crucifixion process. In this there is disbelief in them that Christ suffered at all which is against the body of evidence from the gospels as well as the Old Testament predictions about him. It appears that Muslim scholars have closed their mind about his crucifixion process as they feel it is below the dignity of a Prophet like Jesus that he would be allowed to suffer in this way by his Creator. They also misinterpret certain verses of the Quran which they feel do not allow the crucifixion process. It is my hope they will gradually open up their views to understand our viewpoint in Ahmadiyya Islam to be the correct one as we base our arguments on credible data and seek to correct the misinterpretations in the current Christian and Muslim lore about the nature of the life and death of our savior Jesus, the Messiah.
Please understand the misconceptions arising after the death of Christ have been a source of conflict between people from our group and mainstream Muslims. As mentioned previously the teachings that Christ was in heaven came about from the influence of the Christian lore on Islam. Muslim scholars used certain weak hadith to be the way they justified the concept of a living Christ in heaven waiting to come down before the end of time. Please know these concepts came in Islam under the influence of the Christian lore as well. In this we are sane that man cannot endure space travel and it is only his spirit that rises in the Hereafter after the departure of its soul at the time of his death. In Islam of my group we have attempted to clarify these misconceptions that have arisen from the influence of a certain concept that man can descend in the literal sense. It was a misconception in the Jews as well that resulted them in doubting the Prophethood in Jesus as they expected Elijah to descend, proverbially from heaven before the coming of the Messiah. It was to their detriment that they did not understand what Jesus told them as the correct viewpoint that John the Baptist was the second coming of Elijah, as he was like him in character.
Please know that Islam is served when we realize the three horsemen are none other than members of our group. Please know this indicates that the book of revelations has significance for our group. Please also realize that no one has actually explained the horsemen to be the same beasts of paradise around the tabernacle of our Creator who are pious individuals who are seen to praise their Creator. In this matter we are safe to assume that there will be some controversy but time will elucidate my views as events transpire that we are painted negatively by some as we brought the end of the concept of multiple Gods in your monotheism here in Christianity. I will explain these concepts in a later section.
Yours Truly knows he is on thin ice with them in the Muslim world but as indicated in their literature he cannot have been raised physically as no one can survive space travel without the agency of a space suit, which was not available then, I presume. Also, the verse from Bani-Israel also shows that when asked by the Quraish to bring a book from heaven the Prophet said he couldn’t, he being a mere mortal, and so could not travel there in person (verse 93). Yours Truly also knows that to be raised physically as mentioned in certain hadith is mere conjecture and not the words of Prophet Muhammad in my view as it contradicts the Quran verse of Bani-Israel quoted here. Please understand that the meaning of rafa is probably that he was raised in the sight of his Creator for putting up for the act of sacrilege on their part and he was raised in spirit as well because he had been disobedient in certain ways to the teach of his Creat and when the reality of the crucifixion occurred he became His servant more and was more careful in future as well. Omar.
The clinching argument is this one where the Prophet’s words are echoed here in what he who is Jesus said in the Quran vernacular.
The death of Christ did actually occur, as indicated in the footnotes where Prophet Muhammad spoke as he who is Jesus spoke, sharing the view that he was dead in reality, like he will die also before Judgment Day.
There is a verse from Surah Maida or Table where it discusses the death of Jesus to be in the actual sense of the word. The saying of Prophet Muhammad, on him be peace also elucidates these terms to be in the actual sense and not in the sense of sleep as indicated by some in the mainstream viewpoint. In this we are sane that to transpose a meaning of your own is to discredit your views with conjecture. Your son knows you have seen this verse before but will post it here to let the reader understand the relevance of the two sets of verses regarding the demise of Jesus in the actual sense. The footnote will be attached in this case. Omar.
Maida
5:116 And when Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah? He will say: Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to (say). If I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen.
5:117 I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: Serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord; and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wast the Watcher over them. And Thou art Witness of all things.
Footnotes to 5:117. This verse is a conclusive proof that Jesus died a natural death, and is not now alive in heaven. Here Jesus says that so long as he was among his followers he was a witness of their condition, and he did not find them holding the belief in his Divinity. The logical conclusion of this statement is that the false doctrine of his Divinity was introduced into the Christian faith after his death, after “Thou didst cause me to die”.
A saying of the Holy Prophet is recorded in which the Holy Prophet speaks concerning himself in the very words which are here put into the mouth of Jesus. He said that he would be shown on the day of Resurrection some men who had gone against his teachings, and “I would say what the righteous servant said: I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wast the Watcher over them” (Bukhari. 60:8).
Some additional notes here.
There are some other verses of the Quran which I will elucidate here. A complete verse tabulation can be found in Mirza’s treatise where he collected 30 verses signifying he had died here on earth and was not living in heaven as is presumed by Christians there.
My Facebook post is as follows.
Please see these verses where it says Allah took the soul of Jesus Christ and he was not killed by them.
Please see the verse in Al-Imran (verse 144) where Allah tells the believers that messengers die as a norm.
Please know he did not make an exception for Jesus and it is clear some Quran translations fabricate the matter when they say ‘some’ messengers have passed away before him who is Muhammad, on him be peace in that regard that he is the last of the prophets to appear.
Please see when this verse was revealed was at the battle of Uhud when he was injured.
Please know when the Prophet died later it was said by Abu Bakr to Umar and other companions who did not believe he had passed away.
Please know when he said this verse none of the companions said that Isa is alive, contradicting the interpolation of scholars to make it appear that Isa was an exemption to this verse.
Please know they all accepted the verse.
Please know no prophet is living in heaven by the right side of God, as the Christians say of him who is Jesus.
Please also see Al-Imran (verse 55) where He says that He will take the soul of Jesus Christ.
Please see he did migrate there to his home where there were springs and so forth as the Quran tells here, as seen in the Muminun verse below.
Please see the details of this in Ahmadiyya literature.
Please see it occur that rafa means to exalt or honor and we say it in our prayers for ourselves. Omar.
Al-Imran
3:144 And Muhammad is but a messenger — messengers have already passed away before him. If then he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels? And he who turns back upon his heels will do no harm at all to Allah. And Allah will reward the grateful.
3:145 And no soul can die but with Allah’s permission — the term is fixed. And whoever desires the reward of this world, We give him of it, and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter, We give him of it. And We shall reward the grateful.
Al-Imran also.
3:55 When Allah said: O Jesus, I will cause thee to die and exalt thee in My presence and clear thee of those who disbelieve and make those who follow thee above those who disbelieve to the day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, so I shall decide between you concerning that wherein you differ.
Al-Muminun.
23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, and We gave them refuge on a lofty ground having meadows and springs.
Jesus and Mary were incarnate beings who partook in eating and sleeping as humans do.
In the Quran it is made clear that Jesus and Mary were incarnate human beings who used to live as humans. In this we are sane that if a person is in the embodiment of a human he is said to represent human qualities and it is obviously conjecture to call a person with attributes of humans to be anything but a human being. My post below elucidates this view that to call a person God is obviously incoherent and devious when we know that Godhead is a distinct Entity Who needs no food and does not experience pain like Jesus and Mary did.
In this verse where it states that both Jesus and Mary partake in food it indicates that both were human and had frailties of humanity which we are all faced with in our earthly existence. We all feel hunger and partake in food. A God-like entity would not have the need for food. Ure son in repose knows in this matter we are sane as there is an exaggeration in the being of Jesus where a person who partook in food and for all purposes was a man is relegated to the dustbin of humanity by calling him part or whole God as is the current Christian view of viewing him. Omar.
Chapter 5 or The Table.
5:73 Certainly they disbelieve who say: Allah is the third of the three. And there is no God but One God. And if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement will surely befall such of them as disbelieve.
5:74 Will they not then turn to Allah and ask His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; messengers before him had indeed passed away. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We make the messages clear to them! then behold, how they are turned away!
5:76 Say: Do you serve besides Allah that which controls for you neither harm nor good? And Allah — He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
5:77 Say: O People of the Book, exaggerate not in the matter of your religion unjustly, and follow not the low desires of people who went astray before and led many astray, and went astray from the right path.
Please see the words of Araf to show its significance that there are no exceptions for us and we all live and die on earth.
Please see this statement from Allah is corroborated in the Bible that you are from dust and to dust you will return, there you have it there is no discrepancy in the teachings of the two Books and Allah dithers not here when He says it is made up that I would make exceptions to one slave in My laws that I create there about nature being your role here and if Isa had been living there for over 2000 years he would have to be a god which he is not and Muslim mindset has to stop associating me there say I Isa there.
Please know we all live and die on earth as the Quran says here in Araf where God addresses Adam after his fall and that is the final word and if Isa had been alive in heaven he would be infirm after 2000 years of living, Mirza clarified this in his book and this verse corroborates with his teaching that we are resurrected here from earth.
Please know it is over and you have believed for the most part that Ahmadiyya concept there is cogent argument and your law of Isa living in heaven is from Christian lore you adopt from Abu Huraira’s hadith that he will descend before the end of times and there you have it you disregard this hadith and stick to facts from the Quran for the most part.
Omar not only.
Araf
7:24 He said: Go forth — some of you, the enemies of others. And there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.
7:25 He said: Therein shall you live, and therein shall you die, and therefrom shall you be raised.
The concept of atonement is incorrect as shown from the Quran and hadith literature.
The concept of atonement is dependent upon the death of Christ on the cross in the Christian concepts of atonement. In this way we know that he did not die on the cross but only passed out as his heart was still pumping when he was brought down. In this way we know the concepts arising from the presumed crucifixion of him is a misnomer and just as prophets can intervene for their followers the atonement should be worded as intercession that occurs in a similar way when Christ intervenes for his followers if permitted by his Creator.
The post on Facebook regarding the atonement of Christ being an incorrect concept is indicated here.
Please know the atonement of Christ is a misnomer for his intervention that occurs after a man or woman is judged, generally speaking.
Please know the death of Christ is clear in the Ahmadiyya literature. In this we have peace in that this spells the end of atonement of Christ for the sins of others as when he was brought down in the unconscious state he recovered consciousness in the resting place designed to keep him there in peace.
Please know atonement is clear it is a fallacy as how can there not be justice?
Please know it is clear we will be judged for our sins and our Creator will exact judgment to the last iota as He has regard that none of you will be wronged by Him in regard to the law He has sent down through the ages and further He exacts punishment if you have sinned against Him in regard to His commands on you that you come through there.
Please know I am Just and know you want it in the Hereafter that you are justified as well as no wrong will go unpunished by Him say I Allah there. Omar.
Al Zilzal.
99:6 On that day men will come forth in sundry bodies that they may be shown their works.
99:7 So he who does an atom’s weight of good will see it.
99:8 And he who does an atom’s weight of evil will see it.
Al Anbiya.
21:47 And We will set up a just balance on the day of Resurrection, so no soul will be wronged in the least. And if there be the weight of a grain of mustard seed, We will bring it. And Sufficient are We to take account.
Please see the Lord’s prayer here.
Please see this post from my Facebook page where it states clearly Jesus asked his follower to ask forgiveness from Allah and not ask him to say that he should intervene on his behalf which is why we say in Islam that you ask forgiveness from Him and do not beseech your Prophet or god however you may have it.
Please see the Lord’s Prayer is a sacred prayer there where they are asked to seek forgiveness from their Creator and it indicates accountability in it.
Please see the Lord’s Prayer where Jesus and his companions pray to be forgiven their trespasses (or sins, as indicated in Luke) and we see similarity between the Quran texts and Him, the Father, in it.
Please know the Biblical text is rife with prayers to Him, the Creator here.
Please know it is clear Jesus sinned, otherwise he wouldn’t have a prayer like this.
Please know it is seen here that we are responsible for our actions and Jesus does not indicate sinners will be forgiven by him on Judgment Day.
Please know it is obvious a sinner will have accountability by Him in the Quran text.
Please know the Old Testament law is similar as indicated in their books and validated by the Quran text.
Please know we know he can’t forgive you there, that we are responsible for our sins is obvious to us in Islam, and Judaism is similar as well.
Please see the Quran is clear that no one can take the sins of another and we bear burdens we create in this life and on Judgment Day we will be judged for them.
Please know that Jesus died is a misnomer there when he was crucified, as I have shown previously in my writings to you, and it is clear that he was impotent in it, the crucifixion process.
Please see he was abject and a God is not abject, you know that.
Please know he was human otherwise he would not have died as you say in Christianity, as a God substance would not have seen it, death I mean here, and it is obvious he felt pain and had injuries from it, the crucifix there, as indicated by John’s and others commentary on it.
Please know God is impervious to you in this world and a person of His substance would be similar.
Please know Christianity is rife he was man as well but the central theme they have is that he was God in it while they know that manhood is limited to earthly needs in this life.
Please see he was man in all respects and experienced tragedy at their hands, the Jews.
Please know a prophet cannot forgive people if they believe in him as their Lord and savior, they will be questioned though and the matter decided that they did shirk or associated him with God and punishment is due to them for it. Omar.
Matthew 6
Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive them that trespass against us.
Al-Anum
6:160 Whoever brings a good deed will have tenfold like it, and whoever brings an evil deed, will be recompensed only with the like of it, and they shall not be wronged.
6:161 Say: As for me, my Lord has guided me to the right path — a right religion, the faith of Abraham, the upright one, and he was not of the polytheists.
6:162 Say: My prayer and my sacrifice and my life and my death are surely for Allah, the Lord of the worlds—
6:163 No associate has He. And this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who submit.
6:164 Say: Shall I seek a Lord other than Allah, while He is the Lord of all things? And no soul earns (evil) but against itself. Nor does a bearer of burden bear another’s burden. Then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you of that in which you differed.
The fact that Jesus was in disguise after the crucifixion process was in order to protect himself from further harm.
The following post is in regard the sighting of Jesus after the crucifixion process. When he emerged from the tomb he was in disguise for the duration of his stay in Palestine in all probability. There are other incidents where he was noted to be similarly in disguise. I will place a few posts regarding these events here for elucidation.
Please know the gospels are clear that Jesus lived after his crucifixion and to convey that he was raised from the dead is conjecture on the part of Paul and others. I am severe on those who think that death results within a short while after being crucified. I am also severe on those who know that when he was impaled and blood flowed that they can ignore this fact and try to convey to others that he actually died on the crucifix and was not brought down alive in an unconscious state. In this there is peace for those who know that the timeline after his crucifixion fits an orderly departure from Palestine with a few of his followers.
Please know that Mary Magdalene could not recognize Jesus even though he was with her talking to her. It is clear he was in a disguise and only when he identified himself could she recognize him. In this there is haste as it is clear that Mary quickly rushed to get other disciples who saw for themselves that he was absent from the tomb or recovery area earmarked for him. In this matter we know that Jesus was careful with her as he did not want the word to get out that he was alive as he could be set up for another death sentence by the Jewish council. In this matter he was careful and wanted to visit with his disciples in their home rather than them brandishing the fact that their savior was still alive and well. In this manner Jesus kept the matter hushed up until he was ready to leave the land, which he did after a short period. In this manner we have understood the gospels which I teach to you today. Omar.
John 20.
11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept she bent over to look into the tomb
12 and saw two angels in white seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
13 They asked her “Woman, why are you crying?” “They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don’t know where they have put him.”
14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?” Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means teacher).
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.
He continued in disguise here and in other sources of the Bible he was hidden until he disclosed himself.
This post indicates that he continued to remain in disguise for some time. It was not until he left the whereabouts of his homeland that he could safely adorn a normal attire where he could be recognized easily. The story of him identifying himself to his disciples was only they could be assured that he was actually living to them. In this we have peace that he did not wish to give the idea of resurrection to the people but indicate his death there in order to protect himself from additional harm as if they knew he was still alive they would surely have tried to kill him once again.
Please know the concept of Jesus as a man is clear to a discerning mind. It is only the intellectually adept who know that it is over for those who wish to have a clear mind about him regarding his birth and life. In the Ahamadiyya literature there is a large body of evidence regarding the death and subsequent travel to the Indian subcontinent where he preached till an advanced age in life. In this matter there is peace as my precursor Imam or leader, Mirza there, laid the body of evidence for his disciples in regard to his death.
Please know that Jesus continued to remain in disguise even after he met with Mary Magdalene. In John 20 he was in disguise as late as the third meet meeting with the disciples. This was several weeks after the crucifixion process. In this these incidents it is clear he did not want the Jewish authorities to know his whereabouts as they would kill him if they knew he was still alive. It is easy to assume this to be the plausible reason for his remaining in disguise as there is no other explanation that would satisfy the reader in regards to his concern for his life to be the reason of disguising himself. In all three incidents they cannot be explained as visions and there is no other plausible reason as to why he would have to disguise himself as a person who is resurrected cannot be at fear for his life as he cannot be killed after being resurrected, a concept well known in the Christian lore. I am sad that even though they have seen insurmountable evidence presented on my part for the death of Christ being a misnomer there are still people who do not heed to their senses and realize that our views in Ahmadiyyat are what are plausible and make sense to individuals who recognize merit in my works and yet imply mental disease in myself to discredit my writings without a substantial knowledge of this matter. I will allow the discerning mind to evaluate my writing to see if they see an aberration of thought processes in my views. The end is here for those who wish to discredit my works as they will not see an error in the force of my arguments of Jesus being a man and a Prophet as indicated here and as elucidated previously in the previous edition of my book. Omar.
Luke 23
13 Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.
14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened.
15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other Jesus himself came up and walked along with them;
16 but they were kept from recognizing him.
17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?” They stood still, their faces downcast.
18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”
19 “What things?” he asked. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people.
20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him;
21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning
23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels who said he was alive.
24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see Jesus.”
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?”
27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28 As they approached the village to which they were going Jesus continued on as if he were going farther.
29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them.
31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight.
32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together
34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.”
35 Then the two told what had happened on the way and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
John 21
1 Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee. It happened this way:
2 Simon Peter, Thomas (also known as Didymus), Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together.
3 “I’m going out to fish,” Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.
4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5 He called out to them, “Friends, haven’t you any fish?” “No,” they answered.
6 He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.
7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, “It is the Lord,” he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water.
8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.
9 When they landed they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it and some bread.
10 Jesus said to them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.”
11 So Simon Peter climbed back into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish but even with so many the net was not torn.
12 Jesus said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples dared ask him “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord.
13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish.
14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.
See John 20 as well where he was in disguise so that Thomas did not recognize him.
24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were and put my hand into his side I will not believe.”
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Travel away from Palestine to the tribes of the Jews located in Afghanistan and India.
Please know after the crucifixion the work of Jesus was over in Palestine and he made plans to migrate to teach the lost tribes of the Bani-Israel that did not return back to Palestine after being freed from the capture of Nebuchadnezzar by Darius.
Please understand that he had plans to do this before he was placed on the cross and indicated to his companions to do so as well. In this way he would teach a people who had fallen into idolatry and Buddhism and bring the message of One God to be worshipped again.
After his crucifixion process when his twin brother Thomas was unsure whether he still lived he showed him that he was alive in the corporeal sense and not in spirit as is supposed by some nowadays. He also ate and traveled with his companions and talked to them like an average human would. There is nothing extraordinary about this time after the crucifixion process and he behaved as any human would, eating and living with his companions as any normal person would. His ascension is a misnomer for him traveling to a high place of high-altitude. He left Palestine after the sermon under cloud cover to disguise his departure from there permanently.
According to sources from the Indian subcontinent he traveled to Afghanistan and India with his sibling Thomas, as well as his mother and wife Mary Magdalene. For a complete review of the literature please refer to the Ahmadiyya website of the Lahore branch for further elucidation about the travels of Jesus in Northern India and the communication made to various people living in that time. He taught Islam to the people of this land and it was by virtue of his teaching that they later assimilated the teachings of Islam under the tutelage of Prophet Mohammed, on them be peace. At the place of burial there are impressions of his feet will show the signs of crucifixion on the rock that the impression is made. A photograph is attached where the marks of crucifixion can be seen behind the toes. A photograph of the gravesite is also included. When this site was first investigated by my mentor Mirza Ghulam Ahmad there were many people from the local area who vouched that this was the site of burial of Jesus, on him be peace.
Some factual evidence that Jesus lived there in Kashmir headquarters he had after facing the debacle of abuse they had on him in Palestine.
Please know there are writings that indicate that Jesus lived in India after his crucifixion attempt. I will attempt to delineate the conversations that took place between personages from his time and Jesus. Please know the texts are ancient and have verified as accurate. I will explain some of the terminology as well. I can show that to a discerning mind these are evidence that Jesus did not die on the crucifix thus negating the arguments of Godhead in him in the actual sense and the negating the concepts of atonement the Christians have nowadays.
The puranas explaining Jesus entity living there preaching the word of His Eminence.
The following post from my Facebook page elaborates that Jesus had migrated to India and his travels there were documented in texts from that time.
Please know Islam was served there when he preached as they practiced idolatry and he taught monotheism, which they accepted, apparently, as they considered him to their Prophet.
Please know this is a story from an ancient document, documenting that Jesus was alive in India and did not die in Palestine, it is clear from these Buddhist sources that the prince or king referred to here was no other than Jesus Christ who was monastic in bent of mind and was given to prayer and worship. He was a leader there and was considered to be the Prophet of the Jewish tribe of Kashmir. Here he found peace as they accepted him as their leader and it is there he is buried to this day. Ure son in repose knows there are some other stories that are available on the Ahmadiyya group websites which detail how Jesus traveled to Afghanistan and India after he survived the crucifixion attempt there in Palestine. Omar.
The following is a quote from the puranas which date to 115 AD. It discusses a conversation between Jesus and their leader. It is recorded here.
One day the Raja went to the country of the Himalayas He saw a Raja/leader of the Wein (which is located close to Srinagar) who was fair in color and in white clothes. He asked who he was. His reply was that he was Yusashaphat -Yuz Asaf (which may be from Ishaputram or son of God) and had a birth from a woman. Shalewahin was confused. He said he spoke the truth and he had come to purify religion. The Raja asked him what was his religion. He replied ”O Raja, when truth had disappeared there is no limit in the Maleech (foreign) country. I appeared there and through my works the guilty and the wicked suffered; I too suffered at their hands.” The Raja asked him once again what his religion was. He replied ”It is to establish love, truth and to purify one’s heart and for this I am called Isa Masih (Jesus, Messiah).” The Raja returned after making obeisance to him.
Some idea given here about his whereabouts there In India before his demise then.
Some additional posts regarding factual texts of his being there preaching Islam to the populace there.
Please know this document also verifies the ascent of Jesus to the mountains of Kashmir.
Please know the historian here describes the Prophet Yuz Asaf as a prophet who became known for his piety and became accepted as the Prophet for the people of Kashmir.
Please know that the sources verify the presence of a prophet who fits the description of Jesus. In addition, the inscriptions on the temple clearly indicate he was Jesus, the Prophet of Bani-Israel.
Please know in a previous post from ancient texts of the Hindus the conversation of Jesus with their king are recorded where he called himself the prophet of Bani-Israel.
Please know, this, along with my previous description of the crucifixion process clarifies that the position we take on the issues regarding the crucifixion that Jesus lived to an old age as documented in the Quran where it states that he lived to an old age. In addition, the Quran indicates he would find refuge in a place of high altitude as discussed in an earlier post. In this way the understanding of our savior Jesus being a man is confirmed. In addition, the concept of atonement for the sins of his followers as promulgated by Paul and others is discarded as it has no basis based on these facts. I will let the reader decide if my comments meet the coherence criteria.
A Muslim historian during the reign of sultan Zainul Abidin wrote about events of Raja Akh. Please know I am writing some of the text in this post but a complete description can be found on the books on this subject on the Ahmadiyya website of the Lahore group. During the reign of Raja’s son, Gopananda, repairs of the temple were undertaken. After intercession from the Prophet Yuz Asaf the repair proceeded. On one of the stones in the building the prophet had proclaimed his prophethood. On an another these words inscribed that he was Yasu, the prophet of the Bani-Israel. It was the opinion of the historian that the prophet was actually Jesus Christ, on him be peace. Omar.
Please see Thomas was the twin of Jesus, identical kind, and Mary did not know which was prophet until he spoke about it later, as indicated in the Quran lore here.
Some additional comments regarding the birth of Jesus in that he had a twin Thomas, the twin, was his sibling.
The following are two additional references regarding the travels of Jesus to India. I will place the essential components of these references but for complete elucidation I would recommend referral to the books on the Ahmadiyya websites.
Please know that Christ did not die for the sins of others but rather passed away in the mountains of Kashmir at the ripe old age of approximately 100 years according to a hadith of Prophet Muhammad. on him be peace.
Please know he went with some disciples, his mother and Mary Magdalene. It is reported in ancient texts that they travelled in different parts of India and a conversation took place with the Raja/ king of Taxilla where Jesus preached along with his identical twin Thomas. I will plan to bring you these documents as we proceed onwards in our description of the prophet who is confirmed in world history as the Messiah, the one who conquered by a process of assimilation and eventually became the source of religious knowledge for the Western world that in turn taught his teachings of mercy and compassion to others to the lands they occupied. In this way his teachings spread over the world and formed the basis of civilization in the twentieth century where nations have attempted to promote world peace rather than the barbarism of war that has been a hallmark of mankind’s history. In this way the humanity promoted by Islam fostered a harmonious relationship with the teachings of the Messiah. In this we are sane in that there are two world-wide movements of humanity running parallel to each other however the mercy seen in Christian countries has precedence as Islam is currently lacking in principles of humanity due to a lack of compassion in some of their teachings which have moved away from the spirit of truth of our Prophet Muhammad, on him be peace. Omar.
Some additional comments here about his identity as a twin brother in Thomas.
In this post it is apparent that Thomas was the identical twin of Jesus. In this there is concern for the mainstream Christian who believe in the immaculate conception of Jesus. In the gospels there are references to Thomas being the twin of Jesus. Thomas in Hebrew means twin. Thomas was known as Didymus which means twin there in Aramaic. I am averse to communicating any sentiments of concern to others however it is clear the conception of Jesus and Thomas was not a special event other than the birth of a prophet would result. In this way we know it would deny the folklore of Jesus being the incarnate son of God as the Y chromosome would be the same for Jesus and Thomas, and Thomas would have to be immaculate as well, which is against the teachings of present-day Christianity.
Please know this conversation is from a Gospel of Thomas the acta Thomae which describes a conversation that took place between Jesus and the son of a king in Taxilla, India. It indicates that he was there along with his brother Thomas. Your son in repose knows that Jesus had an identical twin Thomas who is known to be his companion in India where they left to be after the crucifixion attempt on him.
Please know the date of this conversation is said to be 49 AD.
Please understand there is a role to assimilate this view that Jesus migrated there after he failed to convince the People of the Book in Palestine about him being their Prophet or saint savior.
Please understand that Jesus preached to the people of Kashmir in India and was accepted as their Prophet. In this way he achieved success in his life there but partial as they still continued in idolatry some. It appears that when he taught them they accepted his teachings and reverted back to the monotheistic faith they originally had. In this way we know that their later generations accepted Islam as there was homogeneity of views between what Jesus taught them and what was brought to them in the message of Islam. In this way we know he was successful in being a harbinger of Prophet Muhammad and was responsible for the people of this land to come to Islam, which they probably would not have done if they assumed idolatry as their religion, which is what had occurred prior to when Jesus preached to them.
Please understand on the other hand there were followers of Jesus in Palestine and the Roman Empire continued to teach there in a way that was conducive for the Gentiles to come into the faith. Though the message was altered it did result in them in understanding the teachings of Christ in their lives. Omar.
Please know the conversation below is as documented in the original document.
Thomas after the ceremonies left the palace. The bridegroom (Abdagases) lifted the curtain which separated him from his bride. He saw Thomas, as he supposed, conversing with her. Then he asked in surprise; “How canst thou be found here. Did I not see thee go out before all.”? And The lord answered; “I am not Thomas but his brother.”
Photographs that depict the gravesite and the markings of his footsteps who is Jesus there.
Please see the post on the topic.
Please know this is the place he is buried where his footprints are.
Please understand I would request you to visit this site if you want to see the footprints for yourself.
Please know this is in Kashmir, India, where he migrated to after the crucifixion process in approximately 35 AD.
Please see the signs of the crucifixion on his foot below the toes. In this there is certainty that his Creator wished him to preserve this so future generations would recognize this was him buried in this location.
Please know he is buried here under the guise of a prophet Yuz Asaf who was the prophet of the people of Kashmir- who were from the tribes of Bani-Israel who migrated here after they were freed by Cyrus and his son Darius from the yoke of their captors in approximately 515 BC.
Please know it is easy to travel there.
Please know if you love your savior Jesus then know him and do not take conjectures about him to be his car.
Please understand we love him in Islam just like you do in your Christian faith and elsewhere where he is considered a notable amongst men.
Please include me in your list of people you ascribe goodness in as I have brought him to you through the prism of clarity with his true colors showing.
Please know we must ascribe peace to you as you wish to know the truth about him and listen to us in Islam. Omar.
The imprint of the feet of Jesus at the site of the tomb of Yuz Asaf. The impression clearly shows where the feet were impaled by the nails.
The grave of Yuz Asaf or Jesus.
The tomb where Jesus is buried in Srinagar.
